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    Quote Originally Posted by Selby Lowndes View Post
    Greg, it seems to me that doing nothing is a teaching moment in itself. It teaches that we are weak and haven't the national will to protect our citizens.

    Could be Wormbier was an intelligence agent and if so, his death was just part of the process. They kill our spies and we kill theirs...SelbyLowndes
    I have no doubt Pres. Trump has his folks and the Pentagon looking at all the avenues available to him. There are some problems.
    1. There are still 3 Americans in N. Korean custody. Any Action would jeopardize their lives.
    2. Using military force is probably the last option - as it could and likely would cause a major regional war engulfing S. Korea and widespread death/destruction (retaliation strikes by N. Korea).
    3. Financial sanctions will have limited impact on N. Korea because they have limited exports. Their major export is military arms. Their customers are rogue nations and would not care if economic sanctions were imposed.
    4. Per the U.N., the average GDP per capita is $506. In comparison, S. Korea's average GDP per capita is $31,700. N. Korea does not care if their people suffer economically.
    5. Getting China to help hurt N. Korea economically, up to and including regime change is a long shot - long and unlikely.

    Choices for action are limited. How we can hurt N. Korea without getting the other 3 Americans killed and not cause war in the Korean peninsula? Unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    How does a country protect a citizen who deliberately goes into harm's way?

    How does a country protect a citizen from his own stupidity?
    exactly. should any country be expected to avenge stupidity?
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    The danger passed and all things righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted."
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    Gentlemen,

    There was a time after WWII that no country would have messed with the American people almost every where in the world. The WWII generation made it that way. Because of our weak leadership after President Reagan's era, the small fry dictators of this world believe they are able to capture and kill American citizen traveling abroad.

    Maybe it's time the USA started using the CIA for it's intended purpose rather than spying on our own citizens here at home.

    RGD/Dave
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Tonester View Post
    exactly. should any country be expected to avenge stupidity?

    Ditto: Life is tough, it's even tougher if your stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryman Gun Dog View Post
    Gentlemen,

    There was a time after WWII that no country would have messed with the American people almost every where in the world. The WWII generation made it that way. Because of our weak leadership after President Reagan's era, the small fry dictators of this world believe they are able to capture and kill American citizen traveling abroad.

    Maybe it's time the USA started using the CIA for it's intended purpose rather than spying on our own citizens here at home.

    RGD/Dave
    How would the CIA keep dummies from traveling to N. Korea, and pulling stupid tricks when they're there?

    One of the reasons the OSS/CIA has had difficulty in infiltrating Asia, vs. Europe, is that Caucasian ethnicity isn't easy to conceal behind the Bamboo Curtain.

    And, everyone knows you can't trust an Oriental, right?

    So, what good SPECIFIC advice do you have to offer that hasn't been tried?

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    Moonshine,
    I would never write my specific advise on the Net that is for darn sure. Obama letting these US citizens travel to all the different question countries was half the problem however. But hay a Communists never put other Communists off limits.

    The OSS never had any trouble infiltrating any country any where they wanted too. Especially during War time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryman Gun Dog View Post
    The OSS never had any trouble infiltrating any country any where they wanted too. Especially during War time.

    RGD/Dave
    I suspect that is no longer true. This nation is no longer seen as a beacon of light but as a weak morally bankrupt country which caters to its perverts and oligarchs
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    The danger passed and all things righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted."
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    we will do what we always do with these mini-crises. a certain amount of social media tear jerking and then we forget about it in a week or so.

    as far as preventing people from visiting other countries, i am always amazed at how quick people are to give up their civil liberties in the interest of safety.

    we should have never intervened in Korea, VietNam, Iraq, Afghanistan in the first place. history is just repeated itself because we refuse to learn by our mistakes and old politicians are always willing to sacrifice someone elses life to further their own careers.

    north korea is a small country but they have nothing to lose by going to war with the US. until we stop sticking our nose into every other countries business (as advised by Pres. Washington in the beginning) we will continue to face these problems. the possibilty of a nuclear war in the next few years is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathfinder 1984 View Post
    we will continue to face these problems. the possibilty of a nuclear war in the next few years is real.
    Real? How about inevitable?
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