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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by SxS Shooter View Post
    That is why when faced w/ retaliation from somebody w/ a gun they usually off themselves. In the TX church shooting it is interesting that when the shooter finally faced gunfire from a neighbor who lived next to the church - he boogied on outta there...
    He boogied off because his deed was done. There could well have been people in the pews who were carrying that morning. He knew that was possible and did what he did anyway.
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    Other than shooting innocent (mostly) persons, by an unbalanced shooter, what is predictable? Not a damned thing. Very hard to prepare civilians, where there is little or no discipline involved as there is in the military, for unpredictability, and authorities are reluctant to take strong steps out of fear of voter retaliation regardless of what they do.

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    How did it work out for Matthew Murray at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Noell View Post
    He boogied off because his deed was done. There could well have been people in the pews who were carrying that morning. He knew that was possible and did what he did anyway.
    Not according to Farida Brown who was lying shot in the church: The gunman fired four shots into the torso of the woman on Farida Browns left, David Brown said. With every shot, she was crying, he said of the woman. She was just staring at my mom while she tried to comfort her. As he fired rounds into the woman, Farida Brown held her hand, telling her she was heading to heaven. Up to that point, Farida Brown had sustained only shots to her legs. But as the shooter fired into the woman next to her, she prepared to be slain. Then she thought that it was her turn, David Brown told The Post. She just started praying. But then, help arrived: At that moment, she heard a shot fired from a different man, at the front door, interrupting Kelleys rampage.
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  5. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by SxS Shooter View Post
    Not according to Farida Brown who was lying shot in the church: The gunman fired four shots into the torso of the woman on Farida Browns left, David Brown said. With every shot, she was crying, he said of the woman. She was just staring at my mom while she tried to comfort her. As he fired rounds into the woman, Farida Brown held her hand, telling her she was heading to heaven. Up to that point, Farida Brown had sustained only shots to her legs. But as the shooter fired into the woman next to her, she prepared to be slain. Then she thought that it was her turn, David Brown told The Post. She just started praying. But then, help arrived: At that moment, she heard a shot fired from a different man, at the front door, interrupting Kelleys rampage.
    None of that changes the fact that he went into the church knowing it was quite possible that someone might be armed.
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    On the subject of arming teachers and school staff: ----------1. is almost none of the federal government's business- this is a state and local school district issue.----------2. There are some states and local school districts that already arm some personnel.---------3. It is likely beyond the comprehension of those living in the coastal ruling class states, but there are places and schools where a rapid law enforcement presence is not going to happen.--------Here in Idaho we have two school districts in Idaho County that have chosen to arm and train some personnel. They are both in Idaho County, where the Sheriff's department patrols an area larger than Connecticut and help in a school situation is likely not happening in less than 30 minutes.------ These local school districts have chosen to help defend themselves rather than be defenseless awaiting a SWAT team that is not coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith E. Carlson View Post
    On the subject of arming teachers and school staff: ----------1. is almost none of the federal government's business- this is a state and local school district issue.----------2. There are some states and local school districts that already arm some personnel.---------3. It is likely beyond the comprehension of those living in the coastal ruling class states, but there are places and schools where a rapid law enforcement presence is not going to happen.--------Here in Idaho we have two school districts in Idaho County that have chosen to arm and train some personnel. They are both in Idaho County, where the Sheriff's department patrols an area larger than Connecticut and help in a school situation is likely not happening in less than 30 minutes.------ These local school districts have chosen to help defend themselves rather than be defenseless awaiting a SWAT team that is not coming.
    As is the newly passed legislation here in FL - it is an option. It is not mandatory. It is up to the individual school districts to decide and the it is up to the individual teachers to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Noell View Post
    None of that changes the fact that he went into the church knowing it was quite possible that someone might be armed.
    You are correct - there was nothing stopping any worshiper from carrying that morning. That knowledge did not stop the shooter from acting. It turns out that their was not any worshiper carrying that morning. But when someone w/ a gun heard the shooting - it interrupted his rampage. And a worshiper carrying in New Life Church in Colorado Springs stopped Matthew Murray.
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    This country has always had a high number of guns per citizen and we didn't have major problems like school shooting. So what's different? Well for one the decline of the family unit. One parent households are now very common. Kids are having kids with fewer and fewer men sticking around teaching their children responsibility. But as always people seek answers in the wrong areas such as gun control instead of mental health ( not much budget there) and how we as a society have changed. We need to wake up and look in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson buck View Post
    This country has always had a high number of guns per citizen and we didn't have major problems like school shooting. So what's different? Well for one the decline of the family unit. One parent households are now very common. Kids are having kids with fewer and fewer men sticking around teaching their children responsibility. But as always people seek answers in the wrong areas such as gun control instead of mental health ( not much budget there) and how we as a society have changed. We need to wake up and look in the mirror.
    W/ the passing of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act here in FL - more than $69 million will be spent for mental nut job assistance in schools... Is it enough? I do not know - but it is more than what they were spending 4 weeks ago.
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